The Biggest Secret: An interview with David Icke

Source: Kenneth Burke, Leading Edge Newspaper

29th April 2000

David Icke

ABOUT THE AUTHOR: In The Biggest Secret, David Icke reveals in documented, sourced detail how the same interconnecting bloodlines have controlled the planet for thousands of years. How they created all the major religions and suppressed the spiritual and esoteric knowledge that will set humanity free from its mental and emotional prisons. It includes an exposé of the true origins of Christianity and the other major religions and documents the suppressed science which explains why the world is facing a time of incredible change and transformation. As a kid, says Icke, I always wondered how a few islands which you can hardly see on the globe could have an Empire that spanned the world. Now the reason is obvious. It was not the Great British Empire at all. It was the empire of the Babylonian Brotherhood. The Leading Edge Newspaper.

Kenneth Burke: David, I realize that creating a thumbnail sketch of connecting the dots that are in your new book, "The Biggest Secret," is difficult, but could you connect a few dots for our readers, so they'll at least understand the basic premise of your work?

David Icke: Yes, I can, actually. "The Biggest Secret" is 550 pages with 60 illustrations and over 40 pictures. I really pushed the boat out with it. It's in great detail, and the material is tremendously sourced as much as possible. I can actually summarize the story very simply. What my research and my unbelievably synchronistic life in terms of the research have shown me, explained in great detail in the book is that, if you go far enough back, you pick up not just one extraterrestrial race, but extraterrestrial races, which interbred with humanity. There is one particular group, within an extraterrestrial race, which operates within the physical world (certainly from within the Earth), and its primary place of focus is the lower fourth dimension, which people call the astral level. This is the reptilian race. I suggest strongly in the book that, those we call the Ananaki (in the Sumerian Tablets) are actually a reptilian race. I am not alone in this. Dr. David Arthur Horne has written a book, "Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins", and has made the same connections that I have.

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I make these connections, not just from intuition, but from a tremendous amount of ancient and modern evidence that shows that this reptilian connection travels right through these thousands of years to the present day. Some of these references to serpents and dragons are obviously symbolic, not the least, the Kundalini energy and other things, but when you look at the evidence, there is a tremendous number of literal references to serpent people - serpent gods. When you do the research, again, into the area where this seems to have happened in the Caucasus Mountains, in what we now call Turkey, Iran and Iraq, which we called Sumer and Babylon, and into the plains of Egypt (the area particularly around the Caucasus Mountains seems to be the place where these bloodlines came out). This interbreeding occurred between the human race and this reptilian group within a race. Now, I don't see the reptilian genetic stream as negative in itself - quite the opposite - it's just this particular group within it.

The Sumerian Tablets and many other accounts, all over the world, talk about the fact that these hybrids became the demigods, the middle men and women between the gods and humanity. If you look at some of the history of Iran, the earliest kings were called the serpent kings, and they became kings as a result of their genetic structure and their family bloodlines. This is where the Divine right of kings comes from. Where we lost the plot is that it didn't refer to god - if you like, everything that exists - it referred to the GODS.

Now, around 2200 B.C., something emerged in Egypt, called the Royal Court of the Dragon. That is still going strong, today, 4000 years later, and it's based in England, which is, for me, the epicenter of global control - the epicenter of the network that controls the world - not Tony Blair's government (although he is a big front-man for them) - but the epicenter of control is in the area, which we call the city of London - the financial district and the other interlocking areas. As you probably know, London is the great sprawl of London and, within it, is an area, which is called the City of London. That's the financial district, basically, where the Bank of England is. Basically, the control of the world financial markets is there.

So, when you do the genealogy, and I've done quite a bit already, as well as the history, you can follow this basically Aryan race of people, who came originally to Britain by ship under the name of the Phoenicians, who are a very significant part of history, which conventional history pushes to the sidelines. I show in the book that the Phoenician culture became the British culture. They worshipped two deities: one was called Barat, the male, and the other was called Barati, the female. They became Britain and Britainnia, and I've pictured in the book the Phoenician depiction of Barati and the British depiction of Britainnia, and what was said about them, and they are staggeringly the same. These people also flowed overland, changing their names from time to time. They became the white peoples of Europe. Within this genetic structure were these reptilian/human hybrids. The hybrids that were the rulers of the ancient Near and Middle East became the European aristocracy and the royal families of Europe. Now, there is only one royal family - just under different names. The Windsors are certainly one of these lines.

The key expansion point, for these bloodlines to literally take over the planet, came after 1689, when one of these bloodlines, called William of Orange (to whom every surviving royal family in Europe is related) was put on the throne of England, coming from Holland. From 1689, these bloodlines, which have become known as the Illuminati, made their epicenter of their operational level in the City of London. It was in 1694 that William of Orange signed the charter that created the Bank of England, and the whole central banking system started to move with this interlocking leadership. This is why you have a central bank in virtually every country, because they have an interlocking leadership and run the economies of their countries and hold the purse strings of the government.

The real thing that emerged in the years following this centering of the operation in London was, of course, the Great British Empire. I now understand that it wasn't the Great British Empire, at all. It was the empire of these bloodlines that had placed themselves in Britain, which is quite another thing. Therefore, these bloodlines, operating covertly, overwhelmingly in the white race, but certainly not only, became the people who took the banking business, media, and political power in all these different countries of the British Empire. Although we appear to see that the British Empire has contracted, and people have got their independence, we can very clearly see that the prisons with the bars (the overt control of these countries by Britain) have been replaced with prisons without bars, which are the secret society network and the bloodlines still operating covertly in those countries and running the show. The way it works, incidentally, is that you have the epicenter in London.

Then, in each of these countries, you have what I call the bloodline branch managers, who operate that country on behalf of the centrally coordinated agenda. So, when the agenda is being orchestrated to bring something about on a global level, for example microchipping, then the bloodline branch managers in that country manipulate and organize in their particular sphere of influence, like the Rockefellers in America and the Eastern establishment families, like the Oppenheimers in South Africa. These branch managers orchestrate their family and country in line with the global agenda coming out of Europe (particularly London but Paris, to some extent), as well. It's like a spider's web or a transnational corporation, with branches in every country.

A wonderful example of that is in South Africa. I was there, about this time last year, and did a lot of research and talking. Before Mandela became president, there was overt control of South Africa by a white-minority apartheid regime, but there was tremendous opposition around the world to apartheid. People had banners in the air and protests and all that. At that time, the Oppenheimer family controlled 80% of the stock in the South African stock market and the rest by implication. They owned the media through various front men, and they owned the diamond and gold mines, on which the country's economy depends. They had to switch to so-called democracy, and Mandela was put into the presidency. Of course, the banners then went down, and people walked away, saying, well, South Africa is sorted. The world's getting freer.

After Mandela became president, to this day, the Oppenheimer family now only owns 80% of the stock on the stock market and the rest by implication. They only own the gold and diamond mines on which the economy depends, and they only own the media through various front men, not the least, an Irishman, called Tony O'Reilly. The difference is, no one is screaming human rights or lack of freedom, any more, because there is a black man in the presidency. I have been around South Africa and, if anything, there are more shanty towns, now - more Soweto-type places in South Africa than ever before. Nothing has changed for the people, except on the surface. In terms of choice, in terms of the quality of their lives, nothing has changed. The same people are running the country, but they are running it unchallenged, now, because of the prison bars replaced by prisons with no bars.

Let me interject that these reptilian bloodlines overwhelmingly come out of Europe from France and Britain. Alsace- Lorraine is a particularly important area for them. So, this is how it works: When you do the genealogy of the American presidents, it's stunning. This information comes from Burke's Peerage, which is the Bible of aristocratic genealogy, based in London. Every presidential election in America, since and including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton, has been won by the candidate with the most British and French royal genes. Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it goes on: 19 of them are related to England's Edward III, who has 2000 blood connections to Prince Charles. The same goes with the banking families in America. George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day. They were involved in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament at the time of Guy Fawkes and all that. So, George Bush is related to Charlemagne and Alfred the Great. He is related to Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

You know, these different bloodlines have taken different names, but they follow the genealogy like crazy. Because they go under different names, people obviously don't see the pattern. If Clinton and the secretary of state were Rockefellers and the main newsreader on NBC was a Rockefeller, then, people would say, excuse me, what's going on here. So, they have different names. That's irrelevant. It's the bloodline that matters. The Bush family is one example, because, over these last three generations, or so, it has carried the same name, and you can actually see the way it works.

The idea that anyone can become president of the United States is utter bunkum, and that is a very important statement. That idea is actually one of the foundations of American's belief that they live in a free country. Well, I can tell you that it is absolutely untrue. If you go back two generations, according to the research, you find Prescot Bush, George Bush's father, was involved in various political maneuvers and he was a member of the Skull and Crossbones Society at Yale University. In the next generation, you have George, who was prepared from birth and brought up to hold positions of power, and he went on to become head of the CIA, the Vice President, and, in fact, President for three terms (two of them officially Reagan's). He was head of the Republican Party at the time of the Watergate hearings. He was a U.N. Ambassador and an unofficial ambassador to China. All these were key positions.

Now, we are seeing the next generation of the Bush family - the Bush bloodline - with Jeb Bush the Governor of Florida and George W. Bush now being feted as the next President of the United States. So, you can see it over three generations, with the Bushes, but, in these other bloodlines, you can't see it because they have different names.

According to Burke's Peerage, even according to the official genealogy, Bill Clinton is genetically related to the House of Windsor, the present royal family in Britain; to every Scottish monarch; to King Henry III of England; and to Robert I of France. I am seeing more and more compelling research information that Clinton is actually a Rockefeller, one generation back, which would explain a tremendous amount about why this so-called kid off the street of Arkansas was given a Rhodes scholarship to Oxford University, which only goes to hand-picked people. He was put under the tutelage of Carol Quigley, one of the insiders at Georgetown University, who wrote massive tomes about the manipulation of this group in the 20th century, "Tragedy and Hope" and "The Anglo-American Establishment," etc.

At a very early age, Clinton became governor of what everyone seemed to accept as the Rockefeller State of Arkansas. Then, of course, he became the President of the United States. These people are brought through because of their bloodlines, and the bloodlines relate to the fact that it has a genetic and, therefore, a vibrational compatibility with these fourth-dimensional reptilian beings, who can operate through these physical bloodlines, much like someone donning a space suit. They can work into the third dimension through these particular lines.

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Kenneth Burke: Let me ask this, so, I can understand how it works. Let's say, the core group (in your understanding) is based in the City of London in England.

David Icke: That is the operational level. You know, you have an operational level, like a headquarters, where everything is organized and coordinated, but that is not necessarily the epicenter of power. That could well be somewhere else on the planet. I get under the ground in Tibet, every time I think about it. I think that these endless legends of underground communities, Agartha, and all this stuff, have a basis in fact. But, what I'm talking about is that the center of the web, where things are coordinated, is definitely London, and Paris, to an extent, as well.

Kenneth Burke: In the same way that metaphysically oriented people believe we have spirit guides , are these reptilian entities impacting these people, who have physical bodies, without their knowledge, or are they shapeshifters, who are folding time? What does your research show?

David Icke: That's a great question, and there are two levels to it. One is those I call the full-bloods. I talk about them in the book. They include the House of Windsor (the Royal Family of Britain), George Bush, and those sort of people. While we have our focus in the third dimension, they actually have their focus in the fourth dimension. They can move between the two and can look into this dimension in the fourth. These are what I call the full-bloods. Now, compared with the population of the world, there aren't many of them. They are shapeshifters.

Then there are the lower genetic lines, but they are still very reptilian in their content. I call them the hybrids. These people, overwhelmingly, do not know who they are, but those orchestrating things do know, because they follow the bloodlines and genetics, with a stunning obsession. What they are looking for in the hybrids is to possess them from the fourth dimension, Therefore, they get invited into the secret society networks and put through various rituals, which, of course, they have to join to make any real progress. They don't understand what they're doing. Most of them don't understand that words and ritual create energy fields. And, energy fields, if you don't know what you're doing, can be very dangerous things, in terms of the ways you can be manipulated. Then, in these rituals, the orchestrators are plugging these overwhelmingly unknowing people into this lower fourth-dimensional consciousness. They are being possessed by them.

If you look at the history of Hitler, it's fascinating. This person used to sit in the street, trying to sell paintings. He certainly had a charisma-bypass, it would seem. He was put through a series of rituals, by a man called Eckart, and Hitler emerged at the other end as this strutting, crazed, contorted faced man, who was generating a magnetic energy that captivated a nation, thankfully, for only a very few years. What Eckart actually wrote to friends of his, and I quote this in the book, is that his friends shouldn't worry about Eckart, because he had effected German history more than anyone else. He said, "I have connected Hitler with THEM." Hitler was plugged into the lower fourth dimension and was being a puppet for these lower astral reptilian beings.

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I came across all this stuff was typical of the synchronicity of my life. In a book, called "And the Truth Shall Set You Free," I wrote about the structure of control in the world, today. Then, I thought that it doesn't take a genius to see that this structure wasn't put together in five minutes or five years, so, when did it start? I started going back, to find the origin of this manipulation. I got completely back to the time of the Crusades, the 1100s and 1200s, the Knights Templar and all those people, and I went on back to thousands of years B.C., in Babylon, which seems to have been a major center for these particular reptilian/human bloodlines.

From that center, they started infiltrating and taking over some of the other societies, not in the least Egypt, that disintegrated and deteriorated, as a result. Then, they moved their epicenter to Rome and became the Roman Empire. Then, they moved further into London and became the British Empire, and this is where it has all come from. I got far enough back and started hitching endless stories around the world about these hybrids - not always mentioning reptilian, but mentioning this interbreeding between the gods and humanity, creating these hybrid bloodlines.

Then, about a year ago, I started to have the most extraordinary experiences in my travels. In a period of 15 days in May 1998, I met 12 different people, from totally different walks of life (business people involved in Swiss banking on through to television presenters and others), who told me this same story - that they had seen people, who were overwhelmingly in positions of power, but not always, who turned into reptilian forms before their eyes, then, go back again. A policeman was one who had this story to tell

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Kenneth Burke: Do you think it was done on purpose or because the frequency of the planet took away their covers momentarily?

David Icke: It seems to me, that it is two things. First, I think there are certain frequency energy fields, in which they find it much harder to hold human form. But, the main thing is that they are lower fourth dimensional beings, in terms of their focus, and that's not very far from this dimension. I think peoples' consciousnesses flick onto that energy for a brief time. The people then cease to see those reptilian beings in their three-dimensional form, and they see them in their fourth-dimensional form. They cease to be their three-dimensional covers and are seen as their fourth-dimensional reptilian beings. These people see beyond the space suit, if you like. Now, this has gone on and on. Talk about somebody trying to tell me something. This is now extremely well into three figures of people, all over the world, who have told me the same story. I was in Vancouver, where six separate people told me the same stories, including one business woman - a grounded businesswoman, who has a large business of her own. She actually had two different relationships with guys, particularly one, who, during sex, actually manifested as a reptile. Now, how is that for a shock? The stories go on. Then, I remembered that I'd read a book by Kathy O'Brien, "Trance Formation of America", several years ago.

Kenneth Burke: Yes. We interviewed her.

David Icke: I remember thinking, "Hold on a minute, I'm sure she mentioned the reptiles in that book." So, I went and got it, because I know there is a case to answer. Too many people in Britain, Australia, and America, from so many different walks of life, have told me the same thing. Some of them are not into metaphysics at all and are thoroughly shocked. Anyway, I looked down the references and found reptiles. Kathy talks about the fact that George Bush had told her that they were an extraterrestrial race, who had taken over the planet and no one realizes it, and that they came from deep far-off space. She said that he just changed in front of her face into a reptile. One guy actually, very briefly, rang my office in America, last January, and said, "I've heard you have a new book coming out. What's it about." I said, "It's a bit - it will take you aback. I can't really explain it. You'd have to read it from start to finish, otherwise, it would just sound crazy."

So, we talked about things. He said, "I can't talk about this to many people, but can you explain to me why I keep seeing people, like Bush, Kissinger, and Gorbachev turn into reptiles when I see them on television?" I thought, "Shoot. I know that." Anyway, Kathy O'Brien talks about seeing a number of politicians in America turning into reptiles.

She rationalized it as part of the MKULTRA mind control program. The other story that she told was being with Miguel de la Madrid, the President of Mexico during the 80s, and she said that he told her the story of what he called the Iguana Race. Of course, this book was published long before I started coming across this information. She said that he said to her that the Iguana Race, a reptilian extraterrestrial race, had interbred with the ancient Mexican people - the Mayans and others - because they needed to create bloodlines, bodies that they could work through, and that these particular bloodlines - the Iguana/human bloodlines, could shapeshift and take either human or reptilian form. She also said that he changed into a reptile in front of her. So, I started to look back, then, thinking that, time is so short a period that we call known human history, if this is going on now, it must be a very good chance that it was going on before. So, I started scanning the ancient accounts of the reptilian race and the serpent race, and, my goodness me - you find the Nagas - some of the gods of the Indus Valley, which became the Hindu culture - were said to take either human or reptilian form at will.

You will find other references, around the world to this. By this time, I'd established that the House of Windsor, the Royal Family of Britain, which is actually a German line and goes back to the "black nobility" in northern Italy of Venice, which can be followed back to the Middle East and the Near East, was one of these bloodlines - not that they were reptilian, but they were one of the elite bloodlines. So, a couple of members of the House of Lords in Britain asked to talk with them, because they knew about this conspiracy and wanted to know more about what I knew. A woman at the meeting would say things about Diana, Princess of Wales, every now and then. I found her very interesting. Afterwards, I said, "We've got to talk." She said, "We have." I asked her, "How do you know this about Diana?" She said, "Well, my closest friend was Diana's closest confidante on esoteric matters for nine years. She was her healer." Now, this had even come out in the press, at some point. This lady was on the front page of the tabloid press as the person, who was giving spiritual healing to Diana. This particular woman had never spoken to anyone before, but, for some reason, she spoke to me. I quote her, at length, in the book.

She told me about the tremendous mistreatment of Diana by the Windsors. I hadn't gone to see this lady about reptiles. I went to see her about Diana and the Windsors. As the conversation unfolded, she said, "You know what Diana's nickname for the Windsors was?" I said, "No, go on." She said, "The lizards and the reptiles." She said, "Diana used to say to me, in all seriousness, 'They're not human.'" She said, "You know, this might be hard to believe, but the Windsors are a reptilian bloodline. They're reptilian, and it's reptilians who are actually running the planet."

I also came across the son of a New York lawyer. That law firm, during the early part of the century, represented people, like the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, and the Morgans. I talked to him in Phoenix, just a few weeks ago. He was going into the law firm, and he said to me that he got out, because he realized that this global manipulation was going on, this agenda existed, and that the bloodlines that were behind it were reptilian.

Another interesting thing that happened, when I was in South Africa, at this time last year, I met a Zulu shaman, who asked to meet me. I was only two days off the plane, and I had never been to South Africa. I got this invitation to meet this shaman, whom I met and spent five hours talking to him. At one point in the conversation, he said to me, "You know, your Lady Diana (who was dead, by that time, of course), I had a call from her one day." I thought, "Oh, yeah? What's going on?"

He said, "She called me in March 1997, before she died in August." She said to me that she was calling from a supermarket phone in England. He said, "First, I didn't believe that it was Diana, because why would she call me. Secondly, I certainly didn't believe it when she said she was calling from a supermarket phone." Now, when I told this story to Diana's confidante, Christine Fitzgerald, the healer, she said, "Well, that makes perfect sense, because Diana knew that Kensington Palace phones are bugged, and that all the official places she phoned from were bugged. So, she used to go into a supermarket or a department store in Kensington, just down the road, and used a public phone, when she wanted a clean line." Now, the shaman wouldn't tell me exactly what she said, but he did say, "She rang me."

I now realize that they had a mutual contact, which is why she'd heard about him. Now, this Zulu shaman has talked widely about extraterrestrials and his own extraterrestrial experiences. He said that Diana rang him and said, "I need your advice. I've got something to reveal about the Windsors that will shake the world, and don't know how to reveal it." He wouldn't tell me what it was. The fear on his face was obvious as I was pressing him to tell me, and it showed me that he was terrifically afraid. He just went into shutdown mode.

Kenneth Burke: From your information, which is obviously vastly researched, what are the plans for these reptiles for the Earth in the next two or three years?

David Icke: What we call the New World Order is the reptilian fourth dimensional agenda. They want to create chaos in the world, including massive wars. So, this structure of world government, world central bank, world currency, electronic banking and no cash at all, a microchip population and a world army, which is NATO...as I've been writing about for years in my books...the global police force. They are planning to create tremendous chaos across the millennium years,using a global version of the most powerful mind control techniques, which I call problem-reaction-solution; you create the problem, you get the "something must be done" reaction from the public, and then you offer the solution that you wanted enacted in the first place.

If you want to introduce global solutions, you need global problems, and I foresee this coming, big time. The problem apparently is that the planet's frequency on the planet is getting faster and faster and those who knowingly shapeshift are finding it harder and harder to hold their human form. I'm told that there is an obsession by these reptile beings and an almost panic to get their institutions of control in place, especially the microchip population. They know that in a few years that the frequency of the planet will have reached a speed in which it will no longer be possible for them to hold their human form no matter what they do, and we'll finally see that it is the reptiles who have been running our planet.

Kenneth Burke: They won't be able to hide anymore.

David Icke: Right. By this time, the insiders tell me, the reptiles want the microchip population in place, they want the world army, NATO, in place and they want to have as much physical control as possible of our three dimensional world so that we humans, in the reptiles opinion, can do nothing about their control of our planet.

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