13th May 2000
Here's an interview with an individual named Andy Pero. I met Pero
personally through Preston Nichols, author of several books about the
Montauk Project which Nichols was personally involved in.
A section of our book "PHOENIX UNDEAD: The Montauk Project And Camp
Hero Today" featured an autobiographical sketch by Pero, identified
by the pseudonym 'Mr. Coffee" in the book.
Here's more recent information from the survivor of horrendous mind
control programming directly connected to the infamous Montauk Project
operations; activities which also included some of the most advanced
experimental work into relativistic and quantum physics which has ever
been done, including interdimensional and time travel experiments.
In particular, Pero's comments and insights about what he was involved
in at Montauk, such as with the so-called 'Montauk chair," are extremely
interesting and provide additional, fresh insight into this most extraordinary
and concept-shattering project and the technology utilized therein.
Source: By Eve Frances Lorgen, M.A. Alien Love Bite
An exclusive interview with Andy Pero, survivor of a secret mind control
project aimed at creating the super soldier with psionic abilities.
Andy Pero was unwillingly subjected to a mind control program off-shoot
the Monarch Project-a trauma based mind control program similar to what
Cathy O' Brien describes in her autobiography by Mark Philips, "Tranceformation
Andy Pero claims to have been created through a combination of genetic
manipulation, trauma based mind control and Silva Mind Control training
resulting in superhuman feats and psionic abilities. In addition to
this, Mr. Pero alleges to have been unwittingly used in covert assassinations
as a Manchurian Candidate and also in missions connected to the Montauk
Project, such as time travel.
Andy Pero first went public with his story in August of 1998 as a special
guest of Preston Nichols while at a lecture series hosted by Bob Eure
of Philadelphia, PA. I was so astounded with Andy's testimony, that
I interviewed him personally so that his story could be shared with
readers of Unknown Magazine. For those who are unfamiliar with me, I
have worked for ten years investigating and counseling UFO experiencers,
abductees and occasionally survivors of various forms of anomalous trauma,
such as ritual abuse and mind control. Because of my background in alien
abductions, paranormal, the occult and anomalous trauma, I recognized
Andy as an extraordinary survivor of trauma based mind control, one
whose story should not remain hidden.
EL: Andy, where are you from originally and when did your training begin?
AP: I was born in Fallon, Nevada in November of 1969. My father was
a Lieutenant Commander at the Fallon Naval Air Station in Nevada at
the time. I believe my first experiences began by the time I was two
and a half years old. At five years old my family lived in Munich, Germany
and I remember attending two distinct Kindergarten classes, on in German
that was located on or near McGraw Army Troop Army Base, and another
Kindergarten in English.
I have flashback memories of torture sessions as early as age two where
I was subjected to shock treatments with needles inserted in my ears
and genitalia. What they (the controllers/handlers) do is use extreme
trauma to separate the mind from the body. They do this to split the
mind into several parts that can later be programmed to do things-like
superhuman feats. Basically, they disconnect all of the normal human
brain impulses, emotions and whatever is normally present, then reprogram
in new ones. They do this to remove all fear, so that when they program
in new abilities, you will not have the instinctual, "but I can't, I'm
afraid..." response. They program you to do, not think. In essence,
they treat and program your mind as if it was a computer.
EL: Who are the people running these secret programs like the Monarch
and Montauk Projects, and where do they conduct their activities?
AP: Our own government. One of my handlers-who tried to brainwash me
into believing that he was my father--was basically a Nazi. I nicknamed
him Adolph because he is very Aryan looking.
After WW2 many Nazi scientists were brought over to the US through our
own Intelligence community who formerly worked in mind control research
in the concentration camps. I believe they are a remnant of the Nazi
party working in conjunction with different branches of the US government
and the military.
Much of my training and torture sessions were done right at the University
of Rochester, NY. They used to take me to a private room in the attic
or top floor of the library. The big lab where I had most of the programming
done to me was at the Rome National Air Base in Rome, NY. I have also
been used in the Montauk chair while at Camp Hero, Montauk, L.I. and
also in a chair in Atlanta, GA at Dobbins Air Force Base.
The Montauk facility located in Camp Hero, L.I. was reopened by the
Department of the Navy and is active to this day.
Basically there are underground bases located across the country. Each
one has a different function and specialty. There is a facility in Rochester,
NY, Paramus, NJ, Dobbins Air Force Base in Atlanta, GA, Camp Hero in
Montauk, L.I. and many others. In the Paramus, NJ facility is where
they do the sex programming for many of the female agents. For the most
part, 99% of them are involuntary sex agents and couriers who were raised
in various mind control projects.
EL: What were some of the things the mind control programmers made you
AP: I remember my mother enrolling me in a Silva Mind Control course
when I was ten. It is a type of self-hypnosis where you learn to go
to different levels of your mind to do self-healing, relaxation, visualization,
bending spoons with the power of your mind, things like that. This is
also the time when I saw two peculiar military men, who would periodically
visit me throughout my childhood, especially sporting events. I did
exceptionally well at Silva Mind Control (and sports), so much so that
the two military men approached me and said, "I hear you have some very
special abilities. Someday you will work for us." At the time I didn't
understand, but later the two men figured prominently in all the training
I had up all the way through my college years. Of course I didn't realize
this until my memories came back. I did very well at sports and demonstrated
a genius IQ, but I stuttered so badly until I was in my twenties, that
everyone just thought I was a dumb jock. The stuttering was due to all
the electroshock treatments.
I recall being subjected to electroshock numerous times, being placed
in an enclosed water tank and told to breathe underwater. Consequently,
I drowned several times and would revive because of my self-created
healing pool in my mind. I learned to create my own mental laboratory
through Silva Mind Control, replete with a super powerful healing pool
that could heal any injury. I was forced to endure suffering beyond
belief to accomplish superhuman feats of strength and survival.
EL: Tell me more about the various superhuman abilities you discovered
AP: The trainers would put me into a trance whereby I'd be told I could
jump off a ladder of minimal height. In my mind, I believed that I was
only jumping off a footstool or a short ledge. In actuality, I was progressively
led to jump higher and higher heights to the point of successfully jumping
off buildings and even out of planes without a parachute.
When under mind control, I could do whatever I was instructed to do
as long as I believed them. I would do 200 or more push ups in perfect
form, sometimes as long as a half hour straight, or until I was told
to stop. I weight lifted 545 lbs.on a barbell and squats while attending
college and much more (500-1500 lb.) while I was under the mind control
in the training laboratory not far from Rochester, NY.
In my jumps, it was as if I was falling like a cat, calm and cool with
no fear, focusing like a laser only on the landing.
EL: Are there others like yourself who have had similar training and
AP: I think there are thousands of other children and people who are
used and many end up missing. Many die in the process. They are considered
expendable. The ones who can survive the most rigorous programming live
on to become what are known as the Montauk boys. Duncan Cameron is such
a person. In general, the boys and young men are trained to be couriers,
assassins and super soldiers and even psychic killers. The women are
mostly used as sex agents. Cathy O' Brien's story is an example.
EL: What kinds of special missions or time travel experiments do you
remember taking part in?
AP: There were times I remember being at the small Rochester airport,
being picked up in an F-16 fighter plane and ending up in some southwestern
desert terrain either for special military training and obstacle courses
or assassination missions. I remember seeing other men in black t-shirts
and pants on the same training course at one time. Other times I found
myself on some aircraft carrier out at sea. After the mission they would
take me back and I would return to college after a couple of days or
even hours not remembering what even happened. All of these missions
were done between the time I was 15 years old and until 1988-1992 under
deep hypnotic programming with the memories erased, until of some of
my memories started to return.
I was also taught to handle various types of guns, loading, cleaning,
special characteristics of each model and firing at exact targets repeatedly
and perfectly without thinking, just doing.
EL: Tell me more about your involvement in the Montauk Project. AP:
I was involved in an off shoot of the Montauk Project called the Montauk
chair. Basically the Montauk chair was developed to give the human and
spirit a zero point of reference to facilitate time travel. What the
chair essentially does is separate the mind from the body. The chair
operator's thoughts and vibrational energy is picked up by umbrella
looking antennas above the chair, sent to a computer, over to a processor,
then amplified several hundred times. The information is sent to a network
of free energy crystals arranged in a circle. Then whatever thoughts
were amplified, i.e., a time period, a wormhole would open up in the
room. The wormhole was as large as 16-18 feet across and even large
enough for a truck to go through.
In Camp Hero, Montauk, the location is the cross hairs of the earth's
biorhythms and is the point on earth where time travel is most easily
accomplished when earth is the point of origin.
My part of the Montauk chair project was to use my focused visualization
skills to think of specific time points in history that were assigned
to me. The chair is connected to a sophisticated computer system and
thought amplifier, such that when a thought or time period is visualized,
the computer simulates a time portal based on that point in time. A
series of time portals are done until a library of time periods and
portals are accumulated.
The chair is also used to amplify extremely focused thoughts to create
three-dimensional materializations based on the operators thoughts.
Preston Nichols wrote several books on the Montauk Project and describes
an incident in which Duncan Cameron created a monster while in the Montauk
One such time travel mission was called Project Southern Cross. It was
used to win WW2 in favor of the allies. What the US government did using
time travel was to go back in time to the 1940's to help us win the
war, We would deliver communication devices, weapons and technologies
made out of 1940's parts. These would be delivered to the 1940's along
with a complete set of drawings on how to make them out of 1940's parts.
I took part in several of these deliveries, one time I was sent to Germany
and another time to England. I was not allowed to speak to anyone, other
than deliver my parcel and quickly return back to our time. And this
was all done under deep hypnotic programming, so I didn't have a lot
of freedom to explore. I was gone no longer than two hours for the deliveries.
EL: Have you ever encountered any extraterrestrials or seen any aliens
in any of your underground base memories?
AP: From what I understand the Department of the Navy made an agreement
with the alien Greys to exchange technologies for human women and children
to conduct horrific breeding experiments. This is what is going on right
now in an underground base not far from Miami, Florida. One of my most
disturbing memories is being escorted down a hallway in this underground
lab and seeing cages of chickenwire fencing with women and children
screaming for help. I have seen Grey aliens (the 4-foot tall ones with
large black eyes) and also 7-foot tall reptilian beings in some of my
experiences. I have been told that I have many children from alien breeding
experiments. I have had abductions with the Greys also.
On one occasion I was introduced to a Reptilian being while in an underground
base sometime in 1989-90. At first I saw a 7-foot tall human Ayran looking
man. He walks towards me and I notice that his image phases out as if
something interfered with an energy field. He does something to a device
on his belt and tells me, "OK, I'll show you." He then pushes some button
and then I see his image change into a 7-foot tall lizard like creature
who looked like he weighed over 400 lb.
I was introduced to a group of beings that claimed to be a sub group
of the Illuminati. They were made up of a group of about 40-50 men,
all 6' 2" or taller, white, and of an indeterminate older age, averaging
70, but I suspect much older considering the technology they have access
to, They convened in a boardroom that I believe was in an underground
base, perhaps Camp Hero, Montauk. They sat around a large football shaped
table made of wood. Each high backed chair had a light at the tip and
each sitting had a TV type of screen and control panel that came out
from the table. There was a huge screen located in the front of the
room as well. I have reason to believe that not all of the Illuminati
are human, but in actuality are alien beings that appear to look human.
EL: Who or what groups do you think are running the show here in the
US or even on Earth? How do the aliens fit into all of this?
AP: It is very complicated, but basically there are four main versions
or groups of the New World Order, all with slightly varying agendas.
The first group comprises the US and Western Europe (i.e., England,
Germany, France and the US). The second group is Eastern Europe fused
with Western Europe and the US. The third group is the countries of
the Orient, and the fourth is the Middle Eastern-Saudia Arabian elements
and all the oil money. There are also off world groups (aliens and future
human Nazi's types called Zardanians, Reptilians, Greys and Dracos)
who also have a hand in the NWO plans. For the time being, the old money
groups of Europe and England have teamed up with die hard Nazi factions,
Jews and Americans forming the group that has been always been known
as the Illuminati and affiliated secret societies. This large international
group controls the media, police force, military, etc. The Illuminati
is also part of the NWO plan, which includes members such as George
Bush, Prince Charles and other high ranking people.
As for the aliens, I think most of the alien Greys are either under
the authority of or in collaboration with the Reptilians, Dracos and
the Illuminati, based on some of my experiences and memories that are
still returning to me. Some Grey groups are in conflict with the Reptilian/Draco
agenda and are doing their own thing (human/grey hybridization programs)
so to speak. Their agenda gets into heavy spiritual matters having to
do with acquiring an emotional body and an ability to ascend to higher
dimensions. They are using humans to accomplish this via the human/alien
hybrids. Humans have the key in terms of having a threefold essence
or unity of being, physical, emotional and spiritual. Other aliens have
lost this unity of being (because of the fall from grace), thus inhibiting
them from ascending to higher dimensions, or evolving to higher levels.
This gets back to the original Luciferic rebellion, fallen angels and
the various conflicts between species.
EL: When did you start remembering your memories? How did or can you
break the programming they install?
AP: Some of my first memories surfaced while I was living with a roommate
in Atlanta, GA back in 1996. We went to the bowling alley and I saw
a large sign in the shape of a man dressed like a Rhino advertising,
"Bowl with Rhino balls." This triggered me into remembering that "Rhino"
is the name my Nazi handlers called me. My roommate overheard me say
outloud, "I'm Rhino-they called me Rhino." He got excited and immediately
asked me, "Where did you hear that?" He had a grave look of concern
on his face and kept questioning me. By his reaction, I realized later
that all along he was one of my hired programmers and handlers. The
initial triggered memory that surfaced was a flashback of me being electrocuted
and shocked and screaming in pain in one of my numerous torture sessions.
Then after that first memory, other memories started leaking through.
It was like my mind was dammed up and the subconscious memories were
starting to leak through. My mind controller programmers deliberately
built a wall around my memories so that I wouldn't remember. When I
started recalling bits and pieces, I'd write notes to myself and hide
them. Then I'd find my notes, after I had forgotten everything because
my roommate was catching on that I was remembering. So he would repeatedly
put me in trances, erase my memories and I'd forget what I had just
remembered. But then everything came crashing down, because I deliberately
hid notes and pretended that I didn't know to my roommate. I had thought
he was a friend and it turned out he was just hired to be another controller
and handler to keep me in the program.
I recall that in the past I did not even remember my dreams for ten
years. But now things are coming back. I am working on purifying the
body to help clear my mind and get my abilities back.
EL: How do they keep control overall these people who have been and
are still in mind control projects?
AP: The essence of their control tactics is of splitting the mind at
a young age. This entails a process of trauma, torture, degradation
and humiliation of the subject. The process is different for each individual,
but in essence they go to your subconscious mind and find out what the
most personal parts of you are. Then they essentially use this against
you to break you down and rip your mind apart. What happens is this:
An individual who possesses special mental abilities is selected at
a very young age. (Very often they are from military families or from
multigenerational Satanic ritual abuse families-EL) Then they are subjected
to various stages of terror and horror to begin to separate them from
their own minds. It is a process of progressive dissociation and compartmentalization
of the mind and personality.
They control your mind through various complicated hypnosis techniques
and commands until they create the perfect Manchurian Candidate.(See
TheGreenbaum Speech by D.C. Hammond) They program
you to do something, then erase the memory. Basically they program your
mind as if it were a computer. Once they install the magic word, all
they have to do is say it and you're under their control. This happens
from an early age so it is easier to control them if they are conditioned
and dissociated into several personalities.
Another method of control is that they send in special people in your
lives, handlers and controllers who pose as friends, teachers, "deprogrammers",
roommates, lovers, etc. who are actually operatives for the mind control
projects. Some are sleeper operatives who don't even know they are being
used to a certain extent. It makes it hard to trust anyone at this point.
EL: Is there anything else you can say about these projects or advice
to others who have gone through similar experiences, like how they can
be set free from its influence?
AP: For those who want to get out of the influence of the programs of
mind control, you must have a strong fighting instinct to do what is
right regardless of what others are doing. Your only cage is the one
you build for yourself. You must connect with your highest self to break
the evil that is all around us, and not succumb to doing evil just because
everyone else is doing it. Retain your fundamental sense of right and
It all goes back to the basic conflict basic good and evil. It is like
the dark forces in power of the planet at this time are trying to cheat
their way into heaven or higher dimensions.
Mysteries, UFOs, etc.
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